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> <channel><title>Comments on: A Warning To Affiliates</title> <atom:link href="http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/</link> <description>Bringing Method to The Madness Of Internet Marketing</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 09:00:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Why Some Affiliates ALWAYS Fail &#124; Internet Marketing Guide</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-80487</link> <dc:creator>Why Some Affiliates ALWAYS Fail &#124; Internet Marketing Guide</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:01:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-80487</guid> <description>[...] A Warning To Affiliates Networks are evolving. So must affiliates. I&#8217;ve been in the affiliate marketing space for a few years now. When I first entered, affiliate networks were&#8230; [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A Warning To Affiliates Networks are evolving. So must affiliates. I&#8217;ve been in the affiliate marketing space for a few years now. When I first entered, affiliate networks were&#8230; [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diana</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-43598</link> <dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:31:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-43598</guid> <description>No it really happens out there - but the scary part is if you try to take a stand against the network then all they have to do is bann you and then they have a great strategy on their hands to make money and it is so easy for them to come up with some stupid reason for banning you and that is the end of that. NEXT </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it really happens out there &#8211; but the scary part is if you try to take a stand against the network then all they have to do is bann you and then they have a great strategy on their hands to make money and it is so easy for them to come up with some stupid reason for banning you and that is the end of that. NEXT</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Clint Lenard</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-17967</link> <dc:creator>Clint Lenard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:48:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-17967</guid> <description>I&#039;m a little late to this party, but this post was intriguing to me as I&#039;ve known about the Network part. Now the ad network issues always sounded like rumors, but I have absolutely no doubt that they&#039;d be doing this type of shady business too.
Smax0r - great reply! I always enjoy reading what Network owners have to deal with, and I do agree that the Affiliates who jump around are definitely a problem for any Owner. It makes total sense. But what Marc (above) mentioned seems to be an issue in this industry, too. You always hear about this network or that network handing some big named affiliate some ridiculous (never deserved, IMO) prize for doing nothing more than promoting them, and then you have other networks who aren&#039;t really doing anything to keep their Affiliates around. Pay on time? Great, that should be a given. Weeklies? That&#039;s a start. But with so many other Networks giving incentives, I can imagine that Affiliates (I know I do and will continue to) will never stop. This industry has a lot of shady networks and very few are run like a true Business, but rather like a back alley craps game.
I do hope that the bigger named networks continue to become more transparent and start treating their businesses more like a REAL business. It&#039;s sad to say, but very few do. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a little late to this party, but this post was intriguing to me as I&#039;ve known about the Network part. Now the ad network issues always sounded like rumors, but I have absolutely no doubt that they&#039;d be doing this type of shady business too.</p><p>Smax0r &#8211; great reply! I always enjoy reading what Network owners have to deal with, and I do agree that the Affiliates who jump around are definitely a problem for any Owner. It makes total sense. But what Marc (above) mentioned seems to be an issue in this industry, too. You always hear about this network or that network handing some big named affiliate some ridiculous (never deserved, IMO) prize for doing nothing more than promoting them, and then you have other networks who aren&#039;t really doing anything to keep their Affiliates around. Pay on time? Great, that should be a given. Weeklies? That&#039;s a start. But with so many other Networks giving incentives, I can imagine that Affiliates (I know I do and will continue to) will never stop. This industry has a lot of shady networks and very few are run like a true Business, but rather like a back alley craps game.</p><p>I do hope that the bigger named networks continue to become more transparent and start treating their businesses more like a REAL business. It&#039;s sad to say, but very few do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marc</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-12620</link> <dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:33:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-12620</guid> <description>^This! Why should affiliates be loyal when there is absolutely no incentive? All I got was a ps3 in almost 5 years running with a network where I made low 7 figures.
Not saying I want something expensive, but here and there something that shows their appreciation would be sweet, in the end I not even received xmas cards anymore. Why? I guess because I live in europe and my network is in the US. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^This! Why should affiliates be loyal when there is absolutely no incentive? All I got was a ps3 in almost 5 years running with a network where I made low 7 figures.</p><p>Not saying I want something expensive, but here and there something that shows their appreciation would be sweet, in the end I not even received xmas cards anymore. Why? I guess because I live in europe and my network is in the US.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lorenzo Green</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-6726</link> <dc:creator>Lorenzo Green</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:22:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-6726</guid> <description>Hey Smaxor, thanks for posting.
Regarding your first point, why don&#039;t you send out an email about specific offers you know can make some coin? Personally I&#039;m blinded by emails with a list of &quot;hot&quot; new offers. However, if there were an email sent out about one specific offer then I&#039;m sure people would more likely to pick it up and run it. Or do you not do that because you prefer to reward your top affiliates with it?
&quot;If affiliates stuck with their networks I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d see networks driving as hard to do the buys themselves.&quot; You don&#039;t think networks buys were started for other reasons than just trying to cover cost of affiliates leaving them for another network?
Your network seems to have benefits that other networks just don&#039;t offer. I don&#039;t know of many networks that hand over campaigns to their top affiliates. But most networks just don&#039;t offer any incentives for 90% of (middle class) affiliates to stay loyal. I may be completely wrong. 3 cent more EPCs is a ridiculous reason to change networks. If you look at the perspective of most affiliates, there is more reason for them to split test networks than wait around for a secret prize they never know they will get by being loyal to a network. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Smaxor, thanks for posting.</p><p>Regarding your first point, why don&#039;t you send out an email about specific offers you know can make some coin? Personally I&#039;m blinded by emails with a list of &quot;hot&quot; new offers. However, if there were an email sent out about one specific offer then I&#039;m sure people would more likely to pick it up and run it. Or do you not do that because you prefer to reward your top affiliates with it?</p><p>&quot;If affiliates stuck with their networks I don&rsquo;t think you&rsquo;d see networks driving as hard to do the buys themselves.&quot; You don&#039;t think networks buys were started for other reasons than just trying to cover cost of affiliates leaving them for another network?</p><p>Your network seems to have benefits that other networks just don&#039;t offer. I don&#039;t know of many networks that hand over campaigns to their top affiliates. But most networks just don&#039;t offer any incentives for 90% of (middle class) affiliates to stay loyal. I may be completely wrong. 3 cent more EPCs is a ridiculous reason to change networks. If you look at the perspective of most affiliates, there is more reason for them to split test networks than wait around for a secret prize they never know they will get by being loyal to a network.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Smaxor</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-6712</link> <dc:creator>Smaxor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:49:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-6712</guid> <description>Insightful post Lorenzo and filled with truth. However I&#039;ll play devils advocate.
First of as you know I own a network so the internal campaigns we run are 3 different situations.
1. I have an offer on the network no one is touching and I know can make some good coin. So I build a campaign and hand it to the guys I know that are good and can scale.
2. I have an offer I&#039;ve got I know I can murder and cap out myself. If I have time I&#039;ll run these campaigns occasionally. They&#039;re typically the really high ROI deals cause there is 0 competition in a high volume niche. Some times I&#039;ll let 1-2 of our better aff&#039;s run these deals with me.
3. I&#039;m running a campaign that my affiliates won&#039;t/can&#039;t maybe there is cloaking involved and no one can do it. Maybe it&#039;s and offer that has someone else with a competing offer on another network that&#039;s a little better. So no one runs ours, so I&#039;m not directly competing my affiliates running. Another case for this would be there is someone running on a smaller traffic source and can&#039;t run on bigger ones. So I&#039;ll negotiate with the affiliate and give them all the data and sometimes cash for the campaign to run on a bigger source.
Only time I&#039;ll ever directly compete against my affiliates is if I came up with the concept and they copied me.
Now that we have my stuff laid out on the table. I think there&#039;s definitely a jump around attitude affiliates affiliates have. Oh this network has a deal that makes me 3 cents more epc I&#039;m going to go run with them instead. I think this is what&#039;s driving networks to compete directly with their affiliates. They&#039;re getting sick of being dependent on people that aren&#039;t loyal to them. If affiliates stuck with their networks I don&#039;t think you&#039;d see networks driving as hard to do the buys themselves. I know I talk with a lot of affiliate network owners and they&#039;re frustrated.
One thing I know happens and I absolutely disagree with is networks threatening to steal the affiliates campaign if they don&#039;t keep running with them. There&#039;s 2 networks I&#039;ve heard of that are doing this. Seems pretty hardcore and short sited and honestly can&#039;t believe it&#039;s going on.
Build a relationship with who you work with. Be loyal whether that&#039;s us or whoever you work with. I think the more loyal and less transient affiliates are will really lower the amount of this that goes on. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful post Lorenzo and filled with truth. However I&#039;ll play devils advocate.</p><p>First of as you know I own a network so the internal campaigns we run are 3 different situations.</p><p>1. I have an offer on the network no one is touching and I know can make some good coin. So I build a campaign and hand it to the guys I know that are good and can scale.</p><p>2. I have an offer I&#039;ve got I know I can murder and cap out myself. If I have time I&#039;ll run these campaigns occasionally. They&#039;re typically the really high ROI deals cause there is 0 competition in a high volume niche. Some times I&#039;ll let 1-2 of our better aff&#039;s run these deals with me.</p><p>3. I&#039;m running a campaign that my affiliates won&#039;t/can&#039;t maybe there is cloaking involved and no one can do it. Maybe it&#039;s and offer that has someone else with a competing offer on another network that&#039;s a little better. So no one runs ours, so I&#039;m not directly competing my affiliates running. Another case for this would be there is someone running on a smaller traffic source and can&#039;t run on bigger ones. So I&#039;ll negotiate with the affiliate and give them all the data and sometimes cash for the campaign to run on a bigger source.</p><p>Only time I&#039;ll ever directly compete against my affiliates is if I came up with the concept and they copied me.</p><p>Now that we have my stuff laid out on the table. I think there&#039;s definitely a jump around attitude affiliates affiliates have. Oh this network has a deal that makes me 3 cents more epc I&#039;m going to go run with them instead. I think this is what&#039;s driving networks to compete directly with their affiliates. They&#039;re getting sick of being dependent on people that aren&#039;t loyal to them. If affiliates stuck with their networks I don&#039;t think you&#039;d see networks driving as hard to do the buys themselves. I know I talk with a lot of affiliate network owners and they&#039;re frustrated.</p><p>One thing I know happens and I absolutely disagree with is networks threatening to steal the affiliates campaign if they don&#039;t keep running with them. There&#039;s 2 networks I&#039;ve heard of that are doing this. Seems pretty hardcore and short sited and honestly can&#039;t believe it&#039;s going on.</p><p>Build a relationship with who you work with. Be loyal whether that&#039;s us or whoever you work with. I think the more loyal and less transient affiliates are will really lower the amount of this that goes on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: d3so</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-6037</link> <dc:creator>d3so</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:46:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-6037</guid> <description>Care to share which networks are rogue? I&#039;m not an experienced affiliate and reading this has me all paranoid now :P I don&#039;t want to put in all the effort just for someone else to profit from my work.
Thanks for the heads up. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Care to share which networks are rogue? I&#039;m not an experienced affiliate and reading this has me all paranoid now <img
src='http://www.mrgreen.am/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> I don&#039;t want to put in all the effort just for someone else to profit from my work.</p><p>Thanks for the heads up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Yani</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-5645</link> <dc:creator>Yani</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:32:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-5645</guid> <description>Will be good to know which cpa networks don&#039;t have internal programs. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will be good to know which cpa networks don&#039;t have internal programs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lorenzo Green</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-2479</link> <dc:creator>Lorenzo Green</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 01:32:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-2479</guid> <description>Yes I thought networks were there for risk management too. But this week I have a possibility of not being paid by a network. Why? The advertiser is not paying because they are having internal problems, and it seems the network (not a small network) are unsure whether they can foot the bill yet. Only this week made me question the value of running on this network.
I know your network foots unpaid bills. Some do, some just can&#039;t. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I thought networks were there for risk management too. But this week I have a possibility of not being paid by a network. Why? The advertiser is not paying because they are having internal problems, and it seems the network (not a small network) are unsure whether they can foot the bill yet. Only this week made me question the value of running on this network.</p><p>I know your network foots unpaid bills. Some do, some just can&#039;t.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ryan Eagle</title><link>http://www.mrgreen.am/affiliate-marketing/a-warning-to-affiliates/#comment-2474</link> <dc:creator>Ryan Eagle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 01:23:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mrgreen.am/?p=964#comment-2474</guid> <description>Networks have been running internally for years now, this in not new news whatsoever. I&#039;d always suggest hiding referral sources as best as possible. Should affiliates run direct with advertisers? Learn about risk management before you do so - networks are here to protect affiliates from losses.
Just my 3c. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Networks have been running internally for years now, this in not new news whatsoever. I&#039;d always suggest hiding referral sources as best as possible. Should affiliates run direct with advertisers? Learn about risk management before you do so &#8211; networks are here to protect affiliates from losses.</p><p>Just my 3c.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
